A Chat with Eliot Bronson Part 2
Navigating the Complexities of Life and Music with Eliot Bronson
This episode of Curious Goldfish features an in-depth conversation with musician Eliot Bronson, exploring the thematic essence of his songwriting that addresses the multifaceted human emotions and life's complexities. Jason English hosts the podcast, engaging with Bronson on his approach to balancing the emotional extremes in his songs while ensuring they retain their musical allure.
The discussion encapsulates Bronson's latest album, 'Talking to Myself,' highlighting tracks like 'Are You Still Mean?' and 'From Rabun Gap,' which cleverly weave together feelings of sentimental longing and blunt realism. The episode also delves into the personal background influencing Bronson's songwriting, his relationship dynamics, and the therapeutic aspect of acknowledging contradictory emotions through music. A
dditionally, it touches upon Bronson's perspectives on the artist's journey, the quest for success versus artistic integrity, and the unique satisfaction derived from connecting with an audience through authentic self-expression.
00:00 Exploring the Emotional Spectrum Through Music
01:05 Introducing Curious Goldfish: A Musical Journey
02:02 A Heartfelt Dive into Songwriting with Eliot Bronson
02:16 The Complexities of Human Emotions in Ted Lasso
04:21 Navigating Life's Emotional Extremes Through Art
05:30 The Art of Balancing Opposites in Songwriting
06:37 Reflecting on Personal Growth and Artistic Expression
14:55 The Journey of an Artist: Success, Struggles, and Authenticity
21:55 Eliot Bronson's Musical Influences and Future Endeavors
25:25 Wrapping Up: A Musical Performance and Final Thoughts
Transcript
and there's anger and sadness, as we said, and
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:there's sadness and anger, as
we said, and there can be love.
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:And.
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:Hatred at the same time.
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:So I try to, and then the, and the music
does so much of the work too, because
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:I mean, I also love beautiful melodies
and I love song structure and I love, I
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:love the art of, of the craft of music.
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:So I have all these other things
to stop this from just becoming
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:just a wallow fest where you, you
know, you just can't handle it.
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:I don't, that's not what I'm after.
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:I mean, I want you to sing along.
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:I want you to tap your foot, all
those things too, uh, but I also
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:just, I don't, I'm, I'm not, I am, I
am writing about, uh, the, the, uh,
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:the confusing complexity of life and
sometimes in a very, very simple way
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:Jason English (Host): Welcome to
curious goldfish, a podcast community
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:where music and curiosity come together
through interesting conversations
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:with the music makers of our world.
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:I'm your host, Jason English.
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major podcast and social media platforms.
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:And of course, we have all of
our content on our website.
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:Curious goldfish.
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:com.
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:Happiness and sadness, respect and
contempt, admiration and disdain, love
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:and hatred, resentment and appreciation.
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:these are the extremes of human
emotions, and they represent the
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:complexities in life that often are
too weird or cumbersome to understand
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:in the moment when we feel both
extremes and everything in between.
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:But that's where the art and
craft of songwriting comes in.
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:And that's where Eliot Bronson wants to
dive headlong into, almost like a hiker in
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:a slot canyon in a national park in Utah.
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:It can be a tight fit in between
two giant walls of rock, but somehow
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:he helps us get to the other side.
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:Those polarities also played out
throughout the three seasons of Ted Lasso.
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:Here's a spoiler alert for late
in season three, when star player
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:Jamie Tartt is playing at his
former club, Manchester City.
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:He's desperately looking for his
estranged father in the stands.
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:Coach Lasso asked Jamie what he'd say to
him if he saw him and Jamie ponders for a
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:second and then bluntly answers F you and
thank you a Few scenes later coach Lasso
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:returns home where he finds his mom making
dinner His mom had recently surprised Ted
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:with a surprise visit and out of the blue
Lasso demonstrates the polarities with
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:the relationships This time with his mom
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:Mom, what's wrong?
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:Why are you here?
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:What do you mean?
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:I mean, if you got something you
need to say to me, I'd appreciate it
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:if you just went ahead and said it.
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:Stop I just want to spend my last
night in London with my son and
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:make sure everything's alright.
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:Mm hmm Okay Well, thank you
cooking dinner both of them.
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:No, you're welcome And fuck you
for not wanting to talk Excuse me.
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:Thank you for flying all the way here
to come see me and fuck you for not
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:telling me you were coming Thank you
for all the Small, silly little things
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:you did for me as a kid, you know, like
hiding notes in my lunchbox or, uh,
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:putting googly eyes on the fruit at
the supermarket just to make me laugh.
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:And fuck you for not working on yourself
or seeking help after we lost Dad.
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:And for not talking to me about it either,
just glossing over the whole thing and
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:acting like everything was all right.
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:I'm sorry.
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:Um, I didn't know what to do,
Ted, so I pretended I was okay.
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:Okay.
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:Well, thank you for the apology.
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:And fuck you for making me
think I had to pretend, too.
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:All right, I appreciate you
sharing all this with me.
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:I just wish you hadn't
carried it around for so long.
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:Jason English (Host): Sure, many people
have recorded hits for happy songs
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:and the list of sad lonesome tunes
is long You But few people have the
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:guts to walk the tightrope in between
the emotions of the human condition.
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:Eliot Bronson does.
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:He does this in a few songs off his
latest album, Talking to Myself.
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:He does it in Are You Still Mean?
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:where in one line he throws a past
love a compliment and in the next verse
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:refers to her as a smug philistine.
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:He also does it in a song
called From Rabun Gap.
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:He penned it during a songwriting
retreat in the mountains of North Georgia
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:and it's a letter to his ex fiancée.
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:Although he's found himself in a
happy, fulfilling relationship, he
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:can't help but feel sentimental to
a prior love, despite the fact that
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:she didn't always show up for him.
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:Eliot reminds us that it's okay
to feel emotional extremes.
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:It's okay to feel sad or to miss
someone, even if you've moved on.
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:And even if you found someone new, I'm
grateful to Eliot for talking about
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:this in depth, and I'm grateful that
he performs From Rabun Gap at the end
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:of this episode, this is part two of
our conversation with Eliot Bronson.
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:Let's jump back in.
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:Eliot Bronson: Right, right.
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:Yeah, and one of the things that I
just love about this art form is I love
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:trying to find expression and voice for
those emotions that are, you know, in
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:between emotions, you know, like angry
sad at the same time, like what's that
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:feeling, you know, or what's the feeling
of being wistful and proud and curious?
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:What's that feeling?
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:You know, you add these things together.
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:And so I, it's not that I don't,
it's not that I don't have regrets.
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:It's not that I feel like I have,
it's not like I'd say I squandered
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:my blessings and then I take it back.
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:No, it's both.
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:Jason English (Host): It's both.
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:Eliot Bronson: It's at the same time.
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:What's that feeling?
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:You know, I love trying to put my finger
on, on that place because I think when
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:you hear a song like that or any song
that you love, um, You recognize it.
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:You go, I, I've been to that place
and nobody told me what it was called.
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:And now I have the name for it.
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:And I have the GPS coordinates to it.
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:I think what you just
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:Jason English (Host): So I'm,
I'm going to say something here.
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:I'm going to try to tie
a couple things together.
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:Cause what you just said is amazing.
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:It reminds me of something.
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:So.
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:I don't know the circumstances of the
10 year relationship and how that ended,
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:but I was, I was married for 25 years.
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:Right.
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:And, um, you know, I got divorced a
couple of years ago, moved to Atlanta
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:and, uh, in, in Ted Lasso, I think
it's in the third season, Jamie Tartt.
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:He's like the star player who has
an amazing character arc, right?
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:You know, he's hurt in this, in this big
game and, um, he's freaking out cause his
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:dad, he can't find his dad in the stands.
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:And Ted Lasso comes up to him and
he's like, well, if you saw him,
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:what would you want to say to him?
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:I don't remember this, but he's like,
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:He's
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:F you and thank you.
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:Eliot Bronson: saw him, what
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:Jason English (Host):
basically what you just said.
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:It's, it's, it's both,
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:Eliot Bronson: I don't That's well said
but that's how life actually is That's
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:how life actually is you find that when
you embrace those seemingly opposites,
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:you know, that's when you transcend them
in such a way like you, you, you feel
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:them both at the same time and then you're
not owned by them, you know, they're not
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:you, you can see that they both exist in
your being and there's a beauty to that.
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:Jason English (Host): Yeah.
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:think it's the Yeah.
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:And then, you know, lasso then it, his
mom's in the, in the episode and I think
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:it's the first time he actually cusses and
he basically go, you know, F you and thank
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:you right F you and thank you to her.
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:And she's like, looking at him,
I'm like, what's going on here?
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:And to be honest, you know, for me,
you know, the person I was thinking
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:of in my life was my ex-wife.
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:Right.
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:Cause it's like, there's a lot going on
in a basically a 30 year relationship,
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:you know, you know, there's a lot
where she could probably say the same
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:thing to me, but like, there's a lot
of resentment, a lot of anger, a lot of
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:frustration, a lot of annoying, but at
the same time, when you're with someone
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:that long and you have a family, there's
a lot of things to be thankful for.
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:And you know, and so it's like
that whole dichotomy of like
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:the F you and the thank you.
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:It's crazy.
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:And the fact that like in your art.
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:It's threading that needle and trying
to like, threading the needle, trying
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:to represent both in a way that is
meaningful is like really something.
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:Eliot Bronson: well thanks that is
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:Jason English (Host): make sense?
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:I
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:Eliot Bronson: I think it makes
total sense it's what I'm after
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:when i write a song that I'm proud
of or that moves me, you know, that
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:I can learn from it's because it's
reflecting honestly, the complicated,
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:beautiful, weird, messy reality of life.
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:It's not because I'm trying to, you know,
um, wall off something or hide from it
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:or, you know, or, or, or gloss over.
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:I mean, so many ways, you know, and
of course, you know, I will write a
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:goofy song here and there and there's,
there's nothing wrong with, you know,
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:a feel good tune, but, um, that's.
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:Not what that's not the assignment I was
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:Jason English (Host): the fact
that you embrace that I love
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:though, because it's who you are
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:You know, I mean, people
listen, I think people listen
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:to music for different reasons.
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:For the beat and for the, sure.
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:It's to dance, hopefully for lyrics,
you know, when, when they warrant that.
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:But for you, it's like,
listen, this is me , you know?
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:And a lot of it, life is
sorrow, life is heartbreak.
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:And the fact that you
embrace, that's great.
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:Eliot Bronson: Thanks.
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:I mean, and I try to do it in a way
that, isn't heavy, like that isn't
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:like just a bunch of pain, because
there's humor, even in the worst stuff.
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:And so that's hopefully in there too.
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:I have those moments in my songs too.
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:And, um, and there's, you know, and
there's anger and sadness, as we
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:said, and there's sadness and anger,
as we said, and there can be love.
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:And.
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:Hatred at the same time.
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:So I try to, and then the, and the music
does so much of the work too, because
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:I mean, I also love beautiful melodies
and I love song structure and I love, I
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:love the art of, of the craft of music.
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:So I have all these other things
to stop this from just becoming
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:just a wallow fest where you, you
know, you just can't handle it.
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:I don't, that's not what I'm after.
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:I mean, I want you to sing along.
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:I want you to tap your foot, all those
things too, uh, but I also just, I
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:don't, I'm, I'm not, I am, I am writing
about, uh, the, the, uh, the confusing
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:complexity of life and sometimes in a
very, very simple way, like we talked
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:Jason English (Host): Yeah.
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:Well, the other night you mentioned
it, uh, and this, it, this is, it's
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:a great point I want to ask you.
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:So you mentioned, 10-year relationship,
empty spaces was kind of born out of that.
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:And you took your girlfriend, current
girlfriend to swim with the manatees.
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:Does her name is Jenna, right?
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:Does Jenna like, what does she think
about you still like, uh, from Rabun Gap
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:I would imagine that's a,
that's a reference to your
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:ex girlfriend or ex fiance.
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:Is it not?
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:Does it, does it, does she get bothered?
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:Like you're, you're writing songs
that are kind of like, cause it, it
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:probably representative of who you are
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:Eliot Bronson: Jenna's great
and she, she's also an artist
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:on a lot of levels herself.
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:She's a musician, she's a photographer.
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:Um, and she's, she's more talented
than me in lots and lots of ways.
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:Um, and she's a great human being, and
she understands that, uh, first of all,
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:we have a great relationship, and she
trusts me, and so she trusts me and she
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:knows that I am not putting things in
my songs that I wouldn't say to her.
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:There's not, she doesn't need to look
through my songs to figure out how I feel.
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:And, you know, a song like,
like From Rabun Gap, which is,
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:again, it's complicated, right?
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:Like it's a song where I'm writing a
letter to my ex, um, and essentially
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:just in a moment of kind of sadness and
solitude thinking about her, you know,
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:like you might think about somebody
you were with for a chunk of time.
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:It doesn't mean you want to
be with them necessarily.
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:Right.
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:It doesn't.
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:There are songs about, I want you back.
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:And this is not that song.
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:Right.
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:It's and in fact, it says it
in the song that I'm not even
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:going to send this to you.
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:Um, and I just needed to say it.
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:I've, I played it for.
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:My buddy Runa over in Norway,
where I've toured a few times,
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:he's, he's a great guy and a fan.
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:And the very first, and he, he
teared up, he cried, and the first
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:thing he said is like, that is like
a song of finally saying goodbye.
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:And that's how I hear it, you know,
but it doesn't mean it's not weird.
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:I mean, I'm sure that Jenna has weird
feelings about it from time to time, but
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:luckily, I'm, I can see how some people
that might be too much for, but um,
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:luckily she gets me, and she trusts me.
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:So it's not a problem, I can write about,
I think I can write about anything.
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:Jason English (Host): Well, I mean,
it's also a credit to the relationship
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:because even though it ended.
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:There's something to remember, right?
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:And, uh, the fact that you're
blue, thinking about her, there's
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:sentiment there that, you know,
and I think that's, again, that's,
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:it's, it's, it's really beautiful.
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:Eliot Bronson: It's uh, it's Again,
it's the reality of life, right?
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:We um, we can miss somebody and
not want to see them at the same
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:time as weird as that sounds.
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:Jason English (Host): No, it's
what we were talking about earlier.
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:It's the, it's the opposites
can, can, can be in play.
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:Eliot Bronson: Right.
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:And it actually makes things richer
to know that those are both happening.
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:Yeah.
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:When we
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:we feel like a real simple one way about
anything, it's usually kind of boring.
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:Jason English (Host): the song,
are you still a mean, is that a
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:reference to the same relationship?
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:Eliot Bronson: You want
all the secrets, don't you?
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:Uh, it could be, yeah.
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:Jason English (Host): All right.
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:It's a great song.
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:Eliot Bronson: much.
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:I'm really proud of that one as
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:Jason English (Host): well, in.
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:Um, again, when I saw you this last
week and you called it out, uh, but
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:I have to read this out loud, um,
because I think this is a, this is
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:a line that you should be proud of.
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:Um,
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:at the night?
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:Yeah.
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:Do you tear at the night?
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:Do you argue and scream or has time smooth
your edges like stones in the stream?
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:So that's beautiful.
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:It gets better.
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:Is your heart cold as winter?
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:Is your mind black as sin?
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:And here it is speaking in
splinters to get under my skin.
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:That's really good.
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:Thanks.
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:Eliot Bronson: Thanks.
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:Yeah, that was one of those where you,
it's when you, when you receive it or
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:whatever, download it from the universe.
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:You go, oh man, that's gotta
go in a song . So, yeah.
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:And it was, you know, it
was, it's, that was true.
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:Jason English (Host): Right.
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:Yeah.
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:And then, and then the Philistine,
uh, reference comes later,
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:Eliot Bronson: Right, yeah, you
just shrug like a smug Philistine.
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:Are you still, are you still mean?
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:Yeah, yeah, like Philistine,
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:Jason English (Host): would have expected.
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:Yeah, you don't, yeah, you don't
see that one coming, do you?
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:No.
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:That's, that's, that's really good.
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:where you're at with your career.
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:It's great.
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:Cause you've put out a bunch
of albums, you tour, your fan
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:base is obviously very loyal.
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:you've mentioned in other interviews about
your time in Nashville where it's like,
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:Hey, I had this hotshot producer, right.
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:Who's very successful.
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:but you, you kind of realized that
there's like an inner circle to the
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:inner circle to the inner circle.
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:Which I think is fascinating way to, way
to do it because a lot of us that are
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:just fans, they're like, well, how, how
do artists, you know, quote unquote, make
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:it and like, what does that actually mean?
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:Eliot Bronson: Right.
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:Jason English (Host): I
feel like you've made it.
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:Eliot Bronson: Well,
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:Jason English (Host): No, seriously.
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:Like in, but, and it's great because
you played to an audience of 30
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:people on Saturday night, right?
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:And a lot of people would be like,
well, you know, what does that mean?
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:It's like, well, and I, in some of
the other artists I've talked to,
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:it's, it's, I think it's more, they've
realized that it's more important.
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:To have a loyal fan base to do the art
that you do to write the lyrics that
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:you do, that means so much, uh, then,
you know, and you have 18, 000 monthly
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:listeners on Spotify, which is a really
good number, but you know, instead
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:of the, the numbers and the metrics.
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:So I guess my, my question is, how
should I say this without sounding like,
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:you know, you know, I'm going, Yeah,
I mean, do you think you've made it?
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:Eliot Bronson: I don't know.
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:I don't even know what it means,
I can't spend a whole lot of my
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:I energy and mental space, about.
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:Where, what rung of the ladder
I'm on, if that makes sense.
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:I mean, I'm not against success,
and I certainly wouldn't
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:mind more success, you know.
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:I know what it's like to not be
able to support yourself making art.
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:You know, I've waited tables,
I've taught guitar, um.
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:So I know, and I've, and I've
scraped the bottom for a long time.
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:So I know the difference between that
and where I'm just getting to make art
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:all the time and, um, support myself
doing that and travel the world and
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:have people who tell me they love me.
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:love Um,
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:so, you know, it's
just, it's all relative.
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:I'm sure there are people who
would look at my career and go, eh.
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:It doesn't seem so great.
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:I'm sure there are people who
would trade for it in a second.
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:But, um, again, like that's, uh, a
friend of mine likes to say that's the
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:booby prize trying to figure that out.
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:You know, I can't spend my energy on that.
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:I got to spend my energy on how do I
make something beautiful that I love?
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:How do I share it with the
people who give a shit?
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:you shit?
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:Yeah, podcast?
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:Jason English (Host): yes, yes, 100%.
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:Eliot Bronson: Um, and
if, and I, my faith is
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:Jason English (Host): uh,
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:Eliot Bronson: back to faith if I have
one, it's that, um, That if I stay true
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:to that, then the rest will take care of
itself, on whatever level that is, you
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:know, it may not mean that I get, you
know, all the gold coins, but, uh, I will
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:have what I need, I'll be able to do this,
the people who love me and love my music
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:will, will support me through it, whatever
it takes to make that happen, um, and will
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:I have the most cushy life of all time?
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:Maybe not, but, um, I'm doing better
than I've ever done doing this,
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:again, again, like, Would I like more?
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:Sure.
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:But I could do it at the level I'm at now.
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:Jason English (Host): do
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:and
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:it's a great level seriously
people spend to come see you play
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:I'm at nowthey buy your merch.
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:You know, the, the albums,
the, the whole bit,
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:Eliot Bronson: It's still amazing to me.
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:After I have a great show
that they hand me money.
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:It's a wild thing.
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:And I hope I never lose that.
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:Because I think when
you start to lose that,
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:you know,
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:That's when maybe you should
think about another career.
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:Because, you know, You can make
a lot of money in real estate.
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:You, you could make more than me . Um,
so if that's your goal, you know,
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:if you're, if you're, if you're only
defining your success by the numbers,
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:then there are easier ways to do it.
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:But if you think like spending your
life making art and doing something you
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:love and connecting with other humans
is worthwhile, which I certainly do,
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:then I've got the best job in the world.
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:Jason English (Host): that's awesome,
well what's funny is, what's the song
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:that's on the Yellowstone Playlist
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:Eliot Bronson: it's called
Breakdown in G Major
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:Jason English (Host): So, if I
could be honest, that's like the
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:least Eliot Bronson song of all
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:Eliot Bronson: I need to do more songs
like that to get on more TV shows.
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:That's the ones they want.
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:Jason English (Host): was hilarious.
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:I was like, cause I, you, you talked
about that when you, when you were
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:performing the other night and I had
found the playlist and it was, you
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:know, it's had almost 600,000 streams
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:Eliot Bronson: Yeah.
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:Jason English (Host): How, how,
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is that something that you're
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all the time, like, how'd you get your
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there's the music director for the show.
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James came out, I was working with a
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the label folks or the management
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everybody sort of takes credit for it.
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those things come along, you don't really,
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that is a different song for
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a romping blues, but the lyrics to it
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in the music industry and it is,
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things where I'm just telling the truth.
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the of the fact that you love lyrics
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somehow, you know, for whatever reason.
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live in a time where.
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a period where, or I should
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in this, you know, 60s and 70s,
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with the quality of music.
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culture was ripe for it, or maybe it
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digital yet, and so there were fewer
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to do with the fact that A& R Folks
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there was a period where the kind
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own horn, but then, you know, smart lyrics
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could be, could make someone a superstar.
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coming along in:
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cause it was just a different period.
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I'm, I'm making a thing for a world that
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know, there are lots of us out there.
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group who go crazy over these
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:Eliot Bronson: well,
good send them my way.
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your kindred spirit that people would
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not recognize that we can learn about,
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not anything like what I do.
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a lot of classical music these days.
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that's funny like you know when
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number two was like Claude Debussy.
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of that kind of stuff.
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out there that I really dig.
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best songwriters we've got right now.
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on tour a little bit, right?
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a little bit different, you know,
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kind of like a weekend out and come
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hit a bunch of shows up the East
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coming up in Alabama, a couple
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a west coast tour and there's rumors
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there's no, there's no normal, you know,
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oh, he's got a month of shows or it could
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out to Texas and coming right back.
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probably a big relief just to
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record out because it takes so long,
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to think about the art and, you know,
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making art is any kind of art is.
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it and then there's the sharing it.
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the in breath and the out breath.
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just breathe in and never breathe,
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until, until I've sang the song for
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completely know how I feel about it.
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to say anything, but I just kind of need
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to wait a year before it ever gets in
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it's like, there's like an ambient
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actually, cause it's only been out.
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onto the next one in terms of
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to live in this one for a while?
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I'm in this period of like.
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and play tons of shows, but I'm, I'm,
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it, hearing what other people think
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songs live that I never played live
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single song on the record for a year
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got, they never got heard at all.
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you don't know this one.
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didn't say that, of course.
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start thinking about Right now, it's
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a concept, but Yeah, I mean, there will
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the period from which the writing begins
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harvesting and we're planting.
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:Jason English (Host): Well, we're
enjoying this one and we're excited
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:Eliot Bronson: Awesome.
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:Jason English (Host): you
so much for your time.
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:Eliot Bronson: I guess I could do that.
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:Jason English (Host): right.
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:Thanks Eliot
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:Eliot Bronson: thanks, Jason.
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:Jason English (Host): Thanks so
much for joining us for another
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