A Chat with Mike Kinnebrew Part 2

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But he goes, you're like, you're like too, uh, positive.

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You're like Luke Skywalker.

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And sometimes you just

want Darth Vader, you know?

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And I, and I went home and I

thought, Am I always that shiny

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and hopeful and everything has

like a happy ending and stuff.

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And, uh, and so I wrote like

my saddest song after that.

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And the first line was sometimes

I feel like I'm already dead,

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Jason English (Host): Welcome to

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com.

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Sentiment to something you don't

hear much about these days.

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It kind of feels like life just happens

with all the media and content in the

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world to consume, including podcasts

like this, we barely have time to

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just sit and be, let alone time to

properly reflect on the relationships

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and connections that enrich our lives

and endure beyond our generation.

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In the second episode with singer

songwriter, Mike Kennebrew, we continue

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discussing with Mike, how the idea

of sentiment and the things most

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important in his life continue to be the

narratives his songwriting gravitates to.

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And Mike shares that he has a

batch of new songs teed up for

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an album release sometime soon.

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And he closes this episode out with two

songs, one off that upcoming new album and

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one unreleased called letter from Betty.

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Mike performs both of these with the

beautiful Lake Sinclair in Southeast

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Georgia as a backdrop and get some

help with backing vocals by a flock of

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Canadian geese soaring above the water.

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It was beautiful all the way around.

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We pick up the conversation talking

about one of my favorite documentaries,

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country music by Ken Burns on PBS from

about six years ago, I invite myself

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to Macon and to watch it with Mike.

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So hopefully that can happen one day.

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I'll bring the popcorn, Mike.

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Once again, here's Mike

Kennebrew of Macon, Georgia.

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Let's jump back in.

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Mike Kinnebrew: So.

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Yeah.

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Jason English (Host): I did.

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You ever see the documentary that

Ken Burns did on country music.

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Did you ever watch that?

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Mike Kinnebrew: No, I didn't.

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Um, his Civil War one, I've watched like

more times than I can count, but um, but

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no, I haven't seen the one on country

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Jason English (Host): Yeah.

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So the country music one for me is the

best thing that's ever been on television.

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Mike Kinnebrew: man, I gotta see it.

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Jason English (Host): You got to see it.

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I mean, especially with you.

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Uh, and Your history in the

South, history with the church,

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history with music, Nashville, I

mean, Mike, you gotta watch it.

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It's eight, but each one is, uh,

it's a little less than two hours.

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So, you know, you probably, no,

it's, you know, it's probably 16

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Mike Kinnebrew: hours.

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Yeah,

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Jason English (Host): yeah, yeah.

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No, so the, um.

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Oh my gosh, I would not, I'm not gonna

invite myself to Macon to watch it with

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you, but I would love to watch it with

someone like you for the first time

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because you'd be like, Oh my goodness.

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And again, this podcast isn't about

Ken Burns, but where I'm, I'm going

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to have a point to bringing it up.

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But the whole thing that's amazing to

me is the threads of country music.

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So they start with like, you know,

the Carter family, uh, and then it's

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Jimmy Rogers, you know, Hank Williams.

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Johnny Cash, you know, uh, Dolly Parton,

Loretta Lynn, you know, all the way

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up probably until the to the mid late

90s and they stop and you know, they

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stop and they they sort of allude to

The current folks like Chris Stapleton,

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both of them and stuff, but they only

go into the into those generations But

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it's the thread through through all

those and it's the thread of faith.

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It's the thread of The instrumentation,

bluegrass and everything.

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Anyway, where I'm going with it back

to like the worrying and being on stage

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is I remember, you know, Roseanne Cash

talking about her dad and, you know.

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Johnny Cash is awesome.

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That guy had some stuff going on, right?

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And he she said that he used the

stage to work through all that shit,

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Mike Kinnebrew: You know?

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That's awesome.

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Jason English (Host): yeah

So and I always remember that

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I'm like that's to your point.

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It's kind of the opposite It's

like why would you go out in front

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of public and bare your soul?

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When you're working on

stuff in front of strangers.

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Yeah.

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You know, and I always, I always thought

that was wild that she said that about

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Johnny Cash and then here you are.

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Yeah.

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Sort of affirming that.

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Yeah.

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Mike Kinnebrew: I think maybe, I'm

just like processing it in real time,

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but, you know, what, what we want as

people is, you know, when I say this

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is what I'm feeling, For someone to

go, yeah, me too, you know, I get that.

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And when you put it in a song and you

sing it and you see other people, it

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resonate with other people, then you're

up there going, okay, well, I guess

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I'm not the only one, you know, and

that that's more comforting than the

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best advice a therapist can give you is

just when someone else feels the same

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Jason English (Host): Yeah, no, that's

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Mike Kinnebrew: talk to a therapist

and you tell them something.

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And then they, when they tell it back

to you, it's not at all what you said.

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And you go.

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Where you even, you don't get me,

I don't want to be here, you know,

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immediately, but, uh, but when we, when

we give our songs to people and they

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resonate, that's, it's our way of being

told that we're not alone with, with

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our deep, dark fears and worries and all

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Jason English (Host): back to the initial

point is sentiment your middle name

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we talked about some of the songs your

most recent single was I miss you and

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that's obviously a song about your kids

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah, yeah,

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Jason English (Host): So like,

you know, I can relate to that.

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And then we, we talked about your

grandparents and the first and last.

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So like, you know, my parents will

be married 60 years this year.

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And it's um,

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Mike Kinnebrew: so,

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Jason English (Host): you know, that's

not like a heartbreak or not like

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a anxious sort of thing, but it's

like, that's, that's rare these days.

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I guess my point in saying that your

middle name could be sentiment is I could

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totally relate to everything, right?

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And I love that.

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Mike Kinnebrew: I hope that

people can relate to it.

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I,

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I

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I never.

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I never sit down and try to write about a

certain thing, you know, so, um, whatever

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comes, comes, but, but sometimes I wish

that they were just a little bit more,

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um, fun, and, you know what I mean,

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Jason English (Host): I get it.

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Mike Kinnebrew: like, why does it always

have to be so, there was this, uh, I

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did this, this shootout, this open mic

shootout thing where, um, it was in

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Duluth, I was in the finals, and it was

me and this other guy, and, I think I got

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this because it was the bracket thing.

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You know, you go head to head, head to

head against someone and then one person

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wins and goes on to the next and goes

on to the next and all the people that I

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was like, this person would take me out.

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They had.

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They had been beaten, um,

where I had knocked them out.

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And so by the time I was in the finals,

I was like, I think I got this guy.

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I think I'm, I think I can, I

think my song that I've saved

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is going to be better anyway.

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But I lost.

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And, uh, and then outside, uh, we're,

we're leaving and the judge is, uh,

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one of the judges, there were like

four judges, and one of the judges Uh,

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is he's been drinking all night and

he's like, uh, man, I like you, but I

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couldn't vote for you in that in the end.

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Now, side note, he ended up riding

back with the guy that beat me.

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They had ridden together from Nashville.

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That's a little, I go,

wait, y'all are together.

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But he goes, you know, I just, uh, you're

like, you're like too, uh, positive.

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You're like Luke Skywalker.

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And sometimes you just

want Darth Vader, you know?

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And I, and I went home and I

thought, Am I always that shiny

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and hopeful and everything has

like a happy ending and stuff.

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And, uh, and so I wrote like

my saddest song after that.

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And the first line was sometimes

I feel like I'm already dead,

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Jason English (Host):

Oh gosh, there you go.

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Mike Kinnebrew: but that was the

only time I sat down thinking,

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all right, I'm going to write and

this is, it's going to be dark.

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I'm going to be Darth Vader for this song.

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Um, but for the most part, I just

write whatever comes, you know?

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Um, but yeah, it is super sentimental.

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Jason English (Host): Oh, that's good.

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That's all.

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I love it.

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Uh, all right.

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So we talked about your singles,

uh, and, uh, I, I saw an Instagram

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that you'd spent time in Nashville,

obviously hanging out with Theo Vonn

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah, yeah,

we get ice cream together.

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You

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Jason English (Host): recording, right?

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So tell us about that.

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Tell us what you have planned.

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Mike Kinnebrew: So, um, I was

just gonna do about three songs

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with my friend Charlie Lowell.

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He's, um, he was in a band called

Jars of Clay back in the, uh, 90s.

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Jason English (Host):

Speaking of Christian music.

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Oh my gosh, it all

comes back, full circle.

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Mike Kinnebrew: um, Charlie played, uh,

Keys on, on the last few singles that I

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had done in Nashville with a guy named

Paul Moak was producing and, um, and

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Charlie and I hit it off and Charlie

has a studio in Nashville with another

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Jars of Clay guy, Matthew Audmark.

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And, uh, and, and so.

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Paul was going on the road

with Ann Wilson from Heart.

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He was playing guitar for her and so

he was gonna be kind of gone a bunch

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and I wanted to record and and Charlie

and I had been talking about it.

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So so I said let me take these singles

and we'll do like you know three

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songs and see see how it goes at

your studio and So we went and when

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we were done with those three songs.

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I said I think maybe we were on

the fence about one, like, should

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we do this one or do that one?

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I said, well, let's just do them both.

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I'll come back up.

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We'll do another song.

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And, and it just kind of kept spinning

out where I just kept going back.

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And, uh, we did 15 songs.

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So Charlie played

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Jason English (Host): three to 15.

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah.

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Um, so Charlie and Matt produced

it and, uh, it's at a place called

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Gray Matters Studio in Nashville

and, um, it's a great studio.

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Um, Nate Duggar played guitar, Nate's,

Drew Holcomb's, he's one of the neighbors

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and Rich Brinsfield, who's the bass

player, is one of the neighbors, uh,

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and so they played and, a guy named,

uh, Graham played drums and, uh, Kenny

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Hudson, um, who was in a band called

Vigilantes of Love back in the day.

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Do you remember Bill Mallonee?

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Yeah.

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Jason English (Host): Oh my gosh.

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Mike Kinnebrew: You

need to interview Bill.

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Jason English (Host): Can

I tell you about Bill?

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Please.

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Mike Kinnebrew: Bill's a buddy.

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Jason English (Host):

Okay, so here's the thing.

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There's a few artists, I think you

alluded to them earlier when you were

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like, Hey, some of it's not crap.

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When you're talking about Christian music.

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And then there are some that are like a

little bit Christian and a little bit not.

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So I would put

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Mike Kinnebrew: Bill's a lot of,

bit Christian and a lot of bit, not

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Jason English (Host): Yes, which is great.

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But it's like, Mark Heard, Pierce

Pettis, Rich Mullins, even though Rich

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was in the Christian music industry,

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Mike Kinnebrew: great songwriters,

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Jason English (Host): was probably,

you know, he was my favorite.

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Bill Mallonee

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Mike Kinnebrew: Uh,

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Jason English (Host): some of the

guys from Caedmon's Call, right?

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But like, there's this like,

group that wasn't crap.

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah.

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Jason English (Host): And the Vigilantes

of Love, welcome to Struggleville.

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Mike Kinnebrew: that album's so great.

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Yeah.

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Jason English (Host): Oh my gosh.

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So here's the thing I got, I just ordered.

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So Bill's really big at

on a band camp, I think,

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah.

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That's where he keeps all his stuff.

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Jason English (Host): yeah, he keeps

a lot of stuff and he sent out this

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thing and like, you know, get the vinyl.

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So I have, it's, it's still unwrapped.

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Welcome to Struggleville.

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It's a beautiful looking album.

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Uh,

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But he has a, he had a return address.

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And literally three weeks

ago, I wrote him a handwritten

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Mike Kinnebrew: Out in New

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Jason English (Host): out in New Mexico.

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I'm like, I don't think he's ever

going to see this, but I was like, Hey

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Bill, you know, I did the whole thing.

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Love your music.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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Would you be on my podcast?

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You know, and I haven't heard from him,

but, uh, that to me, like, okay, Taylor

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Swift is running the world right now.

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Would I love to talk to Taylor?

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Yes.

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But actually Bill would be amazing for

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Mike Kinnebrew: He, he's,

we'll have to make that

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Jason English (Host): Oh my gosh.

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This,

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Mike Kinnebrew: this, this episode will be

so piss poor compared to talking to Bill.

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He's so great, man.

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He's, uh, when I was in, I, I looked up

to him as much as anyone as a songwriter.

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And when I was in college.

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He always, like, he took the time to

talk to me when I was nobody, nobody.

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And, uh, I was in college.

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I remember emailing with him

about a paper I was writing.

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And he was telling me, like, who I should

write my freshman, like, English paper on.

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Uh, St.

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Francis of Assisi.

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Jason English (Host): Of Assisi.

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Was he a teacher at Athens?

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Mike Kinnebrew: I don't, I

don't know if he was a teacher.

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His son is a, is a, is a teacher.

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Um, but I don't know what he did

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Jason English (Host):

But he's from Athens.

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He's from Athens.

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That's amazing.

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So back to Kenny Hudson.

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Mike Kinnebrew: yeah.

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Kenny played, Kenny came in and

played guitars and that was a

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big, because I used to, as a

teenager, follow vigilantes around.

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And I can remember Kenny just

shredding on the guitar and

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the mandolin, the pedal steel.

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And, um, and then I played a show

actually at the 40 watt and Kenny

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was headlining with the band

and I was opening for him and I.

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I said, man, you were in

VOL and I just loved it.

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And so he and I kind of kept in

touch and it was a, it was a real,

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it was a big thing for me to get

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Jason English (Host): Yeah, that's amazing

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Mike Kinnebrew: someone

that you've, you know,

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Jason English (Host): up to for

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Mike Kinnebrew: looked

up to for a long time.

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Jason English (Host): mean, I,

back to Pace Magazine, uh, I think

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they were the only people you could

actually get live at the 40 watt.

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Which was a Vigilantes of Love

live album like 20 years ago,

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and I remember getting on CD, and

that's how I I'm not from Georgia.

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I grew up in the Midwest in

Colorado, but the 40 watt

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Mike Kinnebrew: uh, did,

did it have reach out there

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Jason English (Host): Yeah, yeah,

yeah, and it was it was like man

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that place looks cool And then

you know moved to Georgia, and I

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went to a show in Athens You know

recently and drove by the 40 watt.

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I'm like vigilantes of love there.

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It is so it's funny Well, that's good.

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I mean what an ensemble of musicians

That you just did that with.

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So did you, so the three songs that

you had, were they kind of a part

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of a, a theme and then 15 songs is a

lot, I guess, was that a backlog of

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songs and lyrics that you had been

working on for a number of years?

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Mike Kinnebrew: we did this album,

this live at Eddie's album in: 2020

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Those were all new songs.

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None of them had ever been recorded.

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And the, the performance, uh,

for that album was the first time

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they were performed live at all.

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and so some of those songs had

never, I just felt like the

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live treatment wasn't the only.

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I wanted to give them their day

in the studio and like, let's

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see what we can do with them.

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Uh, produce them.

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So about six of the songs are like

first and last is, um, was, was on

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the live at Eddie's album, but we

actually took it in the studio and,

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and did a sort of a different treatment

of it, but then, then the other,

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the rest of them are all new songs.

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Um, and, uh, Yeah, yeah, it's a song

called Good Day, um, will probably be

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the first single, and then there's a

song called Something Bad, which is like,

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definitely like the other end of the

spectrum of Good Day, they all kind of

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came out around the same time as far as,

of a season of writing for a few months.

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Jason English (Host): That's awesome.

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Is there a, is there a theme that

will draw it all kind of together?

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And will you have 15 songs on an album?

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Or will you, will you save

some for something else?

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Mike Kinnebrew: I was looking at,

um, I was watching, speaking of

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documentaries, that wallflower, not, not

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not

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wildflowers, Tom Petty, uh,

about the making of the album.

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And at some point, you know, they're

going, we have so many songs.

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So now let's just decide what's

going to go on the album, you know?

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And so I think I'll probably whittle

that down to 10 or 12 and go, this'll

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be the album for the reason that

you said, you know, what actually.

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thematically kind of fits and then

just have two or three songs to just

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Um, one of the songs that we did was a

cover, which I've never recorded before.

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I never recorded a cover, but it was,

uh, These Days by Jackson Browne.

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Jason English (Host): um,

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Mike Kinnebrew: which is like just a

really sensitive, uh, um, song that he

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wrote when he was like 15 years old.

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And, uh, so that one may be

not go on the album, but maybe

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just be released as a single.

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Jason English (Host): Okay.

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Okay.

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By the way, and this is

kinda goes back to curiosity.

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What's the process of actually

being able to cover an artist?

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Like, do you have to get

permission, approval?

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What kind of a process is that?

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Mike Kinnebrew: I think it used to be

more difficult than it, than it is now.

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Um, but I'm not sure.

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I'm about to find out.

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Jason English (Host): Are you?

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Okay,

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Mike Kinnebrew: we release it.

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I gotta, I gotta go

through the right channels,

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Jason English (Host): check the boxes,

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Mike Kinnebrew: But yeah, there

was, it used to be sort of a,

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almost, The impression I had was,

It's more trouble than it's worth.

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You know, um, you might just wanna not.

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put someone else's song on your record.

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Um, but now I think

maybe it's just easier.

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Jason English (Host): Because YouTube

is riddled with covers of people and

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you know, and so it's like okay did the

rules loosen, you know In the streaming,

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you know, you get you know a sixteenth

of a penny for every stream And if

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you cover somebody, like how does, you

know, do they get, you know, a third

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of that, you know, like, you know,

but it seems it's more prevalent now.

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah, it

definitely seems more prevalent.

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And maybe it's just because just

technology has streamlined the permissions

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and the, you know, back when I was

first recording music, it was, you

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know, snail mail and, um, like I'm

going to write Jackson Brown and ask

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him or the, I just think it's probably

a lot easier and more expedited to, or

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efficient to, to get those permissions,

but I'm going to have to check those

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boxes, uh, before I release it.

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But I did do a, uh, I did a version of it.

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And put it on, um, I think TikTok,

uh, or Instagram, or probably both,

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because they're linked together.

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But, Jackson Brown shared it.

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Like, his official

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Jason English (Host): Oh, that's cool.

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Mike Kinnebrew: was, that was really

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Jason English (Host):

Yeah, that's really cool.

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So do you know if that's going

to be on the album for sure?

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I mean, have you picked the

10 or 12 yet or not really?

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Mike Kinnebrew: them yet, no.

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Jason English (Host): Yeah.

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What's the timing of that?

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Do you think

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Mike Kinnebrew: I can start releasing

them as early as next month.

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Um, I need to get my shit together

and figure out what's, what's

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going to go on and, and what order.

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And there's a lot of that stuff,

artwork and, and all that, you know.

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Do you have a name for

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Jason English (Host): know.

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Yeah.

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In the back

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Mike Kinnebrew: yeah, if I've in the

back of my mind, good day has been the

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single that I thought would go off first.

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So maybe the album is called good day.

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There's a song called

something bad and good day.

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So maybe, um, good day and something bad.

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It could be the album title,

but they are, they're two sides

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of the same coin, you know?

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Jason English (Host):

Well, that's exciting.

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Uh, in closing, I guess, at this

point in your life and career,

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What are you most curious about?

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Mike Kinnebrew: Mm.

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Uh, that's a great question.

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I think I would be most curious

about where life could take me if

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I, um, just keep saying yes and keep

putting one foot in front of the

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other, you know, not letting fear

or insecurity or anything like that.

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Um, cause me to settle

and just be stagnant.

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Um, but the last, I I've been busier

with music this year than I ever have

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been and I think that is because I

just decided to go Well, I wonder

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what would happen if I just kept

walking forward, you know and didn't

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didn't stop.

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because I was afraid that maybe I'm

too old or maybe I'm, uh, you know,

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not good enough or maybe whatever.

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And those were reasons that

would cause me to stop.

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And, and, uh, just started saying yes

to everything and ended up becoming,

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you know, way busier than I've ever

been and have more things on the books.

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And so I'm still curious to see where life

takes me if I'll just keep doing that.

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awesome.

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Jason English (Host): I love that

answer, uh, cause you've got,

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you have so many years ahead of

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Mike Kinnebrew: you.

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It's what's left of me.

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It's um, you know, it's okay.

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Um, rather than falling into that

thinking of well, whatever I was

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going to do, I guess I've done it,

you know, um, for better or worse.

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I've done whatever and now it's just time

to accept it for what it is, but go, no,

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I mean, there's still life to be lived

and let's see, I wonder what we could do.

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Jason English (Host): mean, think about

how many songs you still have in you.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I mean, seriously.

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Mike Kinnebrew: And it's so exciting

to have a new song and go oh,

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they're still every songwriter.

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I think feels like the last song was like

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like Maybe

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that's it.

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Maybe I don't have the well is dry now.

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And when you have a new song, it's like

oh, man There's still something in me.

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That's great that I have to still have

something to say or something to give

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Jason English (Host): Yeah.

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Well, appreciate your time.

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you play us some music?

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Mike Kinnebrew: Yeah, man

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Jason English (Host): All right.

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Thanks, Mike.

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Really appreciate it.

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